people said that during the bush administration too. they accused the bush administration of doing that. it is just not true. doesn't happen that way. and i think people need to have a real debate over the argument and not a cartoon debate about somehow darkened conspiracies with the number. >> so the discussion will happen on the sunday shows whether or not the week was about the president's performance in the debate, or this economic data. which wins? which one is more important? >> you know, the debate was seen by tens of millions of people. i think that's important. i've said all along during the campaign, the jobless numbers have been hyped in their importance because people are living in this economy. they feel what's happening to their lives and their own prospects. this is good news for the president but doesn't change what voters already know about their own lives and the prospects for their kids to get ahead, the prospects for them to get jobs if they don't have jobs now. i wouldn't overexaggerate. its a psychological thing. i